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. >> the president responds to john boehner, but democratic leader nancy pelosi has a plan to get around the speaker. tonight, leader pelosi joins me for an exclusive interview. >>> senator john kerry like you have never seen him before. the statesman from massachusetts scolds the radical right after senate republicans block a u.n. treaty on rights for the disabled because they are concerned about home schooling. you don't want to miss this tape. >>> plus my interview with ohio senator sherrod brown on what looks like a massive win for progressives and elizabeth warren. >>> then senator debbi stabenow of michigan on the latest in the fight to end republican obstruction. and the people creating petitions on the white house website are getting more and more creative. we'll tell you what the new petition to build a death star. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. democrats are determined to extend the middle class tax cuts before the end of the year. that's the bottom line. party leaders and members are all on the same page. president obama rejected the latest proposal from john boehner.
's buffett's. he can do that two ways. he can get john boehner to capitulate or he can say the hell with it, let's go off the fiscal cliff and blame the republicans. >> if he had had the top two percent pay in just a little bit more of their fair share, that would fund the government for only 8. 5 daition. it's not realistic. >> no. it's rubbish, all this. that so called buffett tax, if you implement that on warren buffett and all his pals, it will pay off obama's 2011 deficit in the year 2520 circumstance, in 514 years time, and then we'll need the next half millenium to pay off his 2012 deficit. >> i think the republicans were sent there with a mandate as well as president. obviously the american people voted for the status quo. they voted for divided government. here's the question i have. i would no want them to think os and grand hides and the slem hammer we're robbing them with. if obama wants to take the country off the fiscal cliff, they need to go there. they seem afraid of that. do you see that. >> it's clear from the election that the majority of americans essentially voted for
we're nowhere. >> speaker john boehner issued a downer offer yesterday. >> the white house quickly dismissed it. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> it is more of the same. >> it is not me being positive. it is the math. >> magic math. >> magic beans and fairy dust. >> president obama did win the election. >> me thinks somebody made him king. >> no. i don't think that's right. >> he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> are we that far apart? >> both sides want a deal. >> a matter of math. >> try to stay away from hypotheticals. >> it won't pass. >> discussions about unicorns. >> unicorns. >> they're imaginary beasts. >> magic beans. >> magic math. >> an enchanted universe. >> outrageous. >> the whole thing is going wacky. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> i don't envy the position the speaker is in. >> we're nowhere. ? you just might feel under attack. >> john boehner's power move. >> roll over and do what i ask. >> having the reins on the tea party. >> does he have real allies at this point? >> conservative groups lashed out. >>
. speaker john boehner meets this morning with house republicans who are angry at his new pitch to raise $800 billion in tax revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins m
the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> of out of balance. kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. so now what? will they sit down and talk it through? well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no e-mails, tweets, carrier pigeons. as for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the white house holiday party last night in black tie. while other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president, multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasn't among them. so much for holiday cheer. we have this picture. we're wait fworg the day there's a fiscal cliff. there wasn't total silence in washington today. senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. but in his case, in the form of a swipe. >> i sympathyize with john boehner. the key party has a firm grip on the republican p
." at the top of the show, we asked you, why are you awake? and producer john tower has some of your answers. >> will says, i like the new guy, although i go to wide-screen format to accommodate his ears. >> where's the love? i'm moving awpaving the way for large-eared people worldwide. thanks, john. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> our country will be heading over the fiscal cliff that we ourselves dug and put in our way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there aren't even very many talks going on. >> you're killing us! give us something. >> but for the first time, there are numbers on pieces of paper from both sides. >> numbers on paper! >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 5th. welcome to "morning joe." live in the nation's capital. this is exciting. and you know,
reductions in entitlement programs such as medicare and social security, meanwhile house speaker john boehner has to win over hard liners in his own party. susan mcginnis is following it all. >> reporter: hi. good morning. there are some glimmers of common ground here among the two sides that could form the basis of a deal. the president is now talking about actually lowering the tax rate for the top 2% not now but later. and republicans are now taking some heat over their latest plan a lot of it from within their own party. >> five, four -- >> reporter: house speaker john boehner led the countdown to the lighting of the capitol hill christmas tree last night. >> one. >> reporter: but a different countdown weighs on the minds of these lawmakers, the countdown to the fiscal cliff. a series of tax increases and spending cuts due to kick in at the end the year. >> god bless us, everyone. >> reporter: speaker boehner offered the republican proposal this week and now he faces opposition from president obama. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> reporter: some in his own party are lining
is. as i mentioned last night, before the election john boehner proposed that revenues could be raised by this much. that's the pile of money there. after the election, which his party lost, he's now offering post-election this much new revenue. so his offer since losing the election got worse. that new offer came in a new outline of proposals that the republicans sent to the president in a letter yesterday. it's a plan that they describe in their letter as "a fair middle ground." here's what they consider a fair middle ground. we did this in chart form today. because it turns out it's really simple. and looking at it this way makes it simple. here's what they are offering. on the side of what the republican republicans get, the republicans get the tax rates they want, the medicare cuts they want, the trillion dollars in spending cuts president obama agreed to, hundreds of billions in additional cuts, ending the payroll tax break, ending jobless benefits and they get the opportunity to create a new debt ceiling crisis in a few months. that's on the republican side, what the r
at the chevron on santa teresa boulevard in san jose. and that's where abc7 news reporter john alston is live. john, a wild story. >> this is a weird one. a san jose police descended after the handyman escaped and called 9-1-1. the clerk says that the officers drew their weapons as the two kidnapping suspects nervously shopped for snacks. >> the ordeal lasted nearly seven hours at this home in morgan hill. the handyman was lured here and beaten and forced to do repair work on household appliances yesterday. >> pretty much told, hey, we are going to kill you if you don't do what we tell you. we want you to fix these things around the house. again out of fear and the unknown of what will happen to them. >> reporter: according to the sheriff's office the threats and the assaults came from 36-year-old jason de jesus and chanel who live at the house. what brought the handyman here was a dispute over work he had done for a relative of one of those suspects. around 5:30 they allegedly forced him to drive to the chevron in san jose on the way to finish work on the other home. left alone at this pump,
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. and that's where abc7 news reporter john alston is live. john, a wild story. >> this is a weird one. a san jose police descended after the handyman escaped and called 9-1-1. the clerk says that the officers drew their weapons as the two kidnapping suspects nervously shopped for snacks. >> the ordeal lasted nearly seven hours at this home in morgan hill. the handyman was lured here and beaten and forced to do repair work on household appliances yesterday. >> pretty much told, hey, we are going to kill you if you don't do what we tell you. we want you to fix these things around the house. again out of fear and the unknown of what will happen to them. >> reporter: according to the sheriff's office the threats and the assaults came from 36-year-old jason de jesus and chanel who live at the house. what brought the handyman here was a dispute over work he had done for a relative of one of those suspects. around 5:30 they allegedly forced him to drive to the chevron in san jose on the way to finish work on the other home. left alone at this pump, the handyman bolted from his truck as the accused
is john newlin, president of the entertainment commission. i, however, and not john newlin. i have more hair than john newlin. but i am vice chair of the commission. permit compliance is up. the violence is down. a variety of entertainment is what makes our city great. we will touch on the upcoming party legislation -- party bus legislation and a safe place for our youth to go. after our panel discussion will have some regard groups so we can share ideas and brainstorm. we have a very luminary panel here. right now, i would like to introduce our cheap -- chief of police. [applause] >> good afternoon. i also am not john newlin, and i have less hair than him. [laughter] is a pleasure to be here for the second year. there are fewer people here. that might be because it has been a good year. as audrey suggests i believe that is because of partnership is up. we want to be a police department that you are comfortable calling before anything happens with out fear of having us say, no, we are going to shut it down. we want to work with you to make it happen, but it means as safely as possible.
story, the fiscal cliff debate. and fox 5 learned that president obama and john boehner spoke on the issue today, but the results have not been made public. the white house is asking federal agencies to plan for $100 billion in spending cuts and that is what happened if not resolved. administration believes the deal will be done. john boehner made an offer earlier this week putting $800 billion on new revenue on the table. he got hit hard by the administration and members of his own party. >> we have to cut spending and, i believe, it's super flowous. >> and that is a law, higher rates to go up for the 2072%, including all of you. yes. >> reporter: president obama was speaking to business leaders when he made the comment. he insists he will veto any bill not including tax increases on wealthier americans. >>> the defense department started planning for the roughly $500 billion in personnel cuts. the pin is not talking to the defense contractors of public plans. >>> the council made it clear that it's not following the mayor's lead on several issues. it was evident last night d
and the speaker. nothing between their staffers, who are negotiating this deal yesterday. and john boehner is getting squeezed from both sides. now on the right he's taking heat over his propoesal that would raise $800 billion in revenue closing loopholes. on the left the white house won't talk to him until he agrees to raise rates. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell didn't support speaker boehner's plan. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along, and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> i want to bring in "time" magazine's assistant editor and "national journal"'s chris freitz. does this come down to john boehner and what he's willing to do? >> i think what we've been seeing for the last few months, the ideological struggle within the republican party. you've seen some moderate voices stepping up saying let's make a compromise but you have a house that's intransigent. i think bainer is in charge at the end of the day but he's got to wait, marshall the forces and have peo
. >> thank you very much. we have john updike from the department of real estate on this item. this actually was an item or hearing that i requested for real estate, as we have many different pieces of legislation that flow through the budget and finance committee. we often saw many different leases that came before us, oftentimes they came with a level of urgency and yet there was really not a context behind why we were moving forward so quickly on some of these items or why sometimes things came to us retroactively when it came to real estate. similarly, we have heard a lot about the need for space, but haven't really understood sort of the totality of the space that we have, what we occupy, and where the city sees our self-going in the future with regards to space. the city's land issues and real estate issues are actually very complicated. sometimes we are the landowner, sometimes we're the tenants. sometimes we are actually the landowners and parcels outside the city to help provide easements for our water system among other things. so, it is very complicated with regards to real estate
, the americans with s s with disabi. >> i come to the floor with a bit of a heavy heart. all right like john, john kerry and john mccain are combat veterans who aspired to the white house. dole's own party failed him. five republican votes short of the 66 needed. conservatives say countries like china with a poor human human rights record would get a pass. >> what it does do is allow their leaders to falsely present themselves as forward leaning on disabled rights. >> no. >> reporter: and for some no votes, politics. the risk of a gop primary challenge got in the way. >> to vote for anything that is even perceived to be granting the u.n. power is a dangerous game for republican senator. because the urn is so unpopular among the republican base, they could be asking for a challenge for fr their ideological right come 2014. >> and that was kelly o'donnell reporting. >>> now to the pre-nomination fight over the next secretary of state. the president says he has not made a decision yet, but he insistses continued criticism of u.n. ambassador susan rice will not affect his choice. >> have republi
-- john -- for get his name. warner. zero credibility sense. >> why would she do that? what's the best t.v. sitcom ever? a new vanity fair 60 minute poll finds that it is seinfeld the former nbc comedy that aired for eight years. 82% chose jerry seinfeld's company the best of the honeymooners friends cheers and arrested development. married with children now now in the top 5. no, sir. >> bill: absolutely. all right. got to be number 2 or three. >> here is the deal. fellow "full-court press"ers fellow americans if you had -- if you thought, had the wildestly thought that president obama was going to go be able to make a deal with the congressional republicans, if you had the wildest, you know, just absolutely out of this world idea that maybe they would come to their senses and realize we really can't screw this up and take this country over the fiscal cliff, if you had any thoughts along those lines, just forget. okay? forget it. think again. if you don't believe it, this is really sad of the this is tragic. i am a big-time democrat. all right? i have got a
. we'll talk with the leading sponsor john kerry about what he called one of the sadsest days of his long senate career. >> this vote is to test whether the senate will stand up for those who cannot see or hear and whether senators can hear the truth and see the facts. >> at nato today, secretary of state hillary clinton bids farewell and voices a warning about securing syria's chemical weapons. >> our concerns that an increasingly desperate assad regime might turn to chemical weapons or might lose control of them to one of the many groups that are now operating within syria. >> and road to 2016, congressman paul ryan and senator marco rubio drop big hints at last night's dinner honoring jack kemp. >> you know any good diners in new hampshire or iowa, right? >> paul, thank you for your invitation for lunch in iowa and new hampshire, but i will not stand by and watch the people of south carolina ignored. ♪ >> and take five, to remember one of the greatest innovators jazz has known, composure dave brubeck, died a day short of his 92nd birthday. ♪ >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell li
, than in january with the world economy in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the sameç people pay moref their money to the feder
at the congress and you have john boehner as the speaker, is there any hope that he would even consider a gun control or is this the republican party in washington right now? >> i think you have to go about it the right way. you have to build that public support and marshall the public support that already exists and make it clear to leaders like john boehner that in the american public, even among his constituents, his party days, gun owners, that that support for example exists. >> frank luntz i guess the go to guy. the brady bill was perhaps the high point of this effort, so the attempted assassination of a president, and issuing of this press secretary to galvanize public opinion. you think of aurora, how could that not have brought us to this point? >> the sad part of aurora is part of the long list of sort of the workplace or public shooting rampages again i, you know, the press coverage in 48 hours for a week and then they disappear. the problem with the john boehner experience again they respond to fox news. if they can't even handle bob costas having a one minute conversation or dial
i know our attorney team john is here. congratulations for all the hard work, as well as michael. thank you for helping us through the entire environmental impact reports and all that took many, many years of dedicated work. we really appreciate that. and without further ado, terrific tenure, president of the board, district supervisor david chiu, thank you so much. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> good morning. the sun is shining on north beach today. i am so happy to be here. i think it's amazing that in the week that we celebrate the giants, we are also celebrating a real tribute to the best baseball legend in history, joe dimaggio! [ applause ] as our librarian just said, the very first meeting i took, even before he was sworn-in, after i was elected was about this library. and i got to tell you, that was only four years of a ten-year struggle. there have been hundreds of meetings coming together. there are high school students today who were preschool students when we started this conversation. and i have to tell you as we all know, it takes a village to raise our kids, but i
to the board of supervisors for final approval. >>> john mcafee has surfaced in public for the first time in weeks. he is in a hotel in guatemala city after sneaking out of beliz where he is a person of interest in the murder of his neighbor. in his last blog post, he says he has hired guatemala's former attorney general to petition the country's government to allow him to stay. >>> crews spent the day shoring up a huge stretch of highway along highway 1 after the weekend's rain. caltrans hopes this won't be a mr. be in the new future -- problem in the near future. >> devil's slide is the most beautiful drive i've ever been over, and i'm kind of sad the tunnel is opening and is going to take away that scenery. >> if you're a driver, you don't pay attention to the view! >> cars are expected to start heading through the tunnel in february or march. >>> what is happening across the bay area right now? >> the weather is getting wetter toward tomorrow. no big storms, but rainfall is moving in. showers right now primarily north of the golden gate where they have been. pet lum asanta rose -- pe
on santa teresa boulevard in san jose. and that's where abc7 news reporter john alston is live. john, a wild story. >> this is a weird one. a san jose police descended after the handyman escaped and called 9-1-1. the clerk says that the officers drew their weapons as the two kidnapping suspects nervously shopped for snacks. >> the ordeal lasted nearly seven hours at this home in morgan hill. the handyman was lured here and beaten and forced to do repair work on household appliances yesterday. >> pretty much told, hey, we are going to kill you if you don't do what we tell you. we want you to fix these things around the house. again out of fear and the unknown of what will happen to them. >> reporter: according to the sheriff's office the threats and the assaults came from 36-year-old jason de jesus and chanel who live at the house. what brought the handyman here was a dispute over work he had done for a relative of one of those suspects. around 5:30 they allegedly forced him to drive to the chevron in san jose on the way to finish work on the other home. left alone at this pump, the h
much. that was very informative. thank you. i would like to ask now john boseman to come join me who is the government affairs manager for boma and the mayor mentioned it early ye today. i think john has a one minute film he's going to show and he's also going to be -- as you know in each of the agenda's we ask a community partner to come up and do a brief presentation so we know what they're up to so john i turn it over to you. >> thank you. i appreciate it. happy friday afternoon. it's an honor to be here with so many distinguished city leaders. i am humbled and admiral thank you for your good work. it's an honor to be in the same room. who knows what this is? good. that sames me time. i'm here to talk about the importance of this room and building and the good work that we do, the building managers and downtown rises in downtown san francisco. i can't stress enough how our members feel the value this room brings to them and when the giants wins and the parade goes down montgomery room we will be in this room and our members that have jobs and will volunteer. why? because
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cliff. the president is john boehner are facing off for what couldçe a down to the wire nail-biter of a fiscal fight. indeed, the stakes are so high, the pressure so intense, that the house is calling it quits for the week. giving themselves another much deserved break. of course, not before demanding action from the president. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on, so we asked the president, sit down with us. >> i'll be here, i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> of course the speaker had to clarify that since the house is not back in session till tuesday. leaving just three days on the legislative calendar to get a deal. don't work too hard, guys. the president began his day meeting with business leaders a suring them he passionately roots for their success. even as he broke the news face to face that their taxes are going up. >>. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in in way that will affect your spending, lifes
're understandably shock and distressed and poor speaker john boehner is hopelessly stuck in that stage. his is, of course, willful denial. a stubborn refusal to recognize reality are. but it is denial nonetheless. today, he dug in his heels. he refused to budge. he released a statement blaming the president for the impasse saying "we don't have time for the president to continue shifting the goalposts. we need to solve this problem." in fact, his approach all along has been to deny reality altogether. his plan is essentially a rehash of mitt romney's. closing loopholes to raise revenue and remember, mitt romney lost. and democrats of course, rightly are calling him out on it. representative sandra levin who released a statement yesterday saying that republicans "remain in a state of denial." well, here he is on monday, going even further. >> the republicans have a major decision to make. and that is essentially who's running their party? is it norquist? is it the people who spoke in the election and voted for the presi
in today for john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. >>> up first, president obama standing his ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> that's right. they're in a tough spot here. they don't want to be in left in a position of being blamed for the fiscal cliff. you're seeing a division between house members and senate members. the reason for this is mainly over
." and then the character of george, sometimes mouthing the words, sometimes singing them quietly, moves towards john without looking, for he cannot look at his son. and he touches john's heart and then he moves away towards the city hall of john's memory and john set the stairs in the way that george did, cocky and sexy, cruel as all get out. and then the song ends. and i notice the woman sitting next to me crying. and after the play is over, after the standing ovation of tony's brave and beautiful play, as people start to leave the theater, this woman, she remains in her chair and it seems she cannot move. i gently asked her if she's all right. and she nods. and she says without looking at me because she couldn't look at me, "i got to see my mayor again." so, maybe through art we can see again. about a month ago i braved going to the sf moment to check out the infamous bust of my dad and all i could remember growing up were the images of that controversial pedestal of gunshots and twinkies and don't think i didn't smile when i heard hostess went under. [laughter] (applause) but when i went to see t
, congressional aides say that is simply not happening. in fact, even when president obama and house speaker john boehner were in the same room together like they were last night at the white house holiday reception for congress members, they didn't even speak. the president was asked about that today. >> speaker boehner was here at the white house last night for a christmas party. the two of you didn't even speak. what's it going to take to get the two of you in a room to hash this out? >> well, speaker boehner and i speak frequently, and i think the issue right now -- >> when? when will the two of you sit down in a room? >> you know, i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> as i mentioned, the american people want the people they elected to sit down together, work it out. a new gallup poll shows 62% want government leaders to compromise on the fiscal cliff. just 25% said they should stick to their principles. so why is it that this congress and this white house can't seem to get together and compromise on a deal? it certainly isn't the first time republicans a
to john boehner is, let's go over the cliff. that we can live with the sequester and we absolutely will not raise tax rates no matter what. what that does is eliminate all of the tax cuts and then there's a new fight in january to push obviously by the democrats to restore tax cuts for 98% of americans. and then that will be muddied by the need for a debt ceiling increase and the fight goes in to february. it's government at the brink all the time. we don't know how the markets and the credit rating agencies will react. probably be bad ybut i think that's what you hear conservatives saying. >> erin, so far wall street for the most part reacting in a calm fashion. we know that could go out the window. no one knows what could happen and how long it would take for us to fall in to a recession. but with that said, our first read team points out you have to know when to hold 'em, when to fold 'em. the song, i'm a texan. he's a texan. did we see this coming all along to see a split dealing with the tax cuts first and then kicking the can as you heard congressman yarmuth say down the road
washington john harwood and the president is meeting with another grouch ceos, i need to start with eamon javers on capitol hill where lawmakers are skipping down early for a long weekend. eamon, wasn't thanksgiving just a couple weeks ago? >> it was. let me check michael ichaey cal. you see rank and file members of congress leaving the capitol. they are done for the week. they're headed back loam to their hometown districts. a lot of folks focused on this negotiation right now but the reality is that the negotiations are taking place among just a very few, very high level people. i was talking to a few rank and file members yesterday who said they were frustrated there is not a whole lot for them to do, they are just sitting around here waiting for some break-through in these negotiations. they want something to do on the floor, in their offices and there is not much for them to sink their teeth into. now they're going into their district. leadership is going to stay here and continue these negotiations. speaking of wasting, speaker of the house john boehner came out earlier today to say
the united nations. 24 hours an speaker john boehner put a budget offer on the table the tea party is threatening to throw him over board. what is his great plan? raising revenues--aah. the details are pretty vague, but we know his plan would raise $800 billion in revenue closing some unnamed loopholes while sparing the top earners from any more taxes. tea partyers object to raising any revenue at all. on the other side the president is not pleased with boehner's plan because he said there would be no deal without higher tax rates for the wealthy. >> obama: if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made, and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, then we're going to have to say the rates on the top 2% go up, and we're not able to get a deal without it. >> jennifer: and jay carney piled on the g.o.p. plan. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenue. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> jennifer: magic beans and fairy dust
that make up the difference. bill: john boehner will speak later this hour. we'll see how he responds to that comment. if washington can't get a deep, automatic tax increases and massive spending cuts do take effect. martha: west virginia senator joe manchin, a democrat discussing the fiscal cliff, social security within medicare. he believes they must be run more efficiently. >> last year the office of budget management says $115 billion was misspent. that's a tremendous savings right there. they are both much lower than everyone says we need. all economists say we need a minimum of $4 trillion or greater swing. that means a combining of many things. i think both of them are in the two or not much more than two or lower than two. that only goats you halfway there. i don't know how we got off track of what we really need to fix this. martha: he argues the economy is ready to take off if people would just stop playing the blame game. bill: one of the changes that may be coming is the reduction in the mortgage interest rate duck you can claim. but according to the i.r.s. only a small pe
established on both sides. the president and john boehner have reportedly not even taken time to speak to each other when face-to-face yesterday at a white house christmas event but it seems both sides can agree that the sky is blue on the one issue when keeping tax cuts where they are for the middle class. >> right. >> why can't we get that one step accomplished and maybe move on to step two which is a bigger and bolder plan? >> that's what congressional democrats and president obama would like to see happen, and we have a discharge petition, which would bring the bill that has been sent from the senate and pass the senate overwhelmingly sent to the house, take that bill up and give, extend the tax breaks to the middle class and give certainty to the middle class as we move to, continue to move into the holiday season. all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and
are going to face and for all that john boehner talks about the rich and rich and trying to blunt that charge, it doesn't get him out of the fundamental trap of rates are going to go up on the rich. there's nothing he can bargain, there's no price he's looking to exact in reference to what luke said in exchange for that rate going up on the rich. so the problem is, it's going to go up on january 1st unless they essentially fold. the problem for republicans isn't sort of the size of the revenue or what they get in exchange, but just the fact that they as republicans don't believe they can get away with raising taxes and keep their seats and playcate grover norquist. >> they will have to go home and explain to their constituents, many middle class people why they didn't defend them, why they basically put protecting the 2% over protecting the middle class. that is not a position you want to be in at christmas time. >> luke, the democrats will have to give up something, are they not? we know look, the republicans don't have a lot of leverage here, but if they're going to take the deb
. >> we need a response from the white house, we can't negotiate with ourselves. >> john boehner made a point at expressing dismay the president hasn't responded two days after the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >> what's mood inside the conference. >> very united, very supportive with the speaker. >> multiple sources tell cnn in a private meeting with house republicans, boehner got no flow back for producing $800 billion in tax revenue, despite backlash from conservative groups outside congress. >> any complaints about this new revenue? >> i didn't hear anything. >> the speaker has full support of the conference to move forward and get something done for the american people. >> so far, rank and time republicans are allowing boehner to play out this showdow
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